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Sinnesspiel ([personal profile] sinnesspiel) wrote2014-01-01 10:34 pm
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Shiki Novel Translations 2.2.0

Links to Chapter 2

Chapter 2 - 1
Chapter 2 - 2
Chapter 2 - 3
Chapter 2 - 4
Chapter 2 - 5
Chapter 2 - 6


No cultural notes this chapter, unless I've overlooked something!

So instead I'll give a visual progress report:




These are the two volumes of Shiki, with a roll of toilet paper beside them for size reference.
The bookmark shows where we are in Volume 1 right now, at the end of Part 2, Chapter 2.6, page 351.


This is an internal shot; pages are double-layer printed. Keep this in mind when comparing the time it takes to translate light novels that don't look so much thinner.


These are a Knights of Ramune & 40 Fire novel and a Sotsugyou II (Graduation: Neo Generation) novel, respectively. Print size and spacing is typical. In terms of sheer physical thickness, the average light novel looks to be about 3/4ths the length of a single Shiki novel and they usually come in at 250-300 pages, but the print size and spacing makes the difference in volume more pronounced than that. In the 5 volume larger print version, each part comes out to about 500 pages. In typical light novel printing standards, we'd be around 700 pages.

Coincidentally this is why I predict another two years or so to completion; you might look at the current rate of progress and think "We're more than halfway through book 1. By June, couldn't we be done with book 1 and maybe even have a start into book 2, which could then be conquered in about another year for a year and a half?" Those extra 200 pages that make book 2 longer than 1 are nothing to scoff at, since they come out to about 4x as much volume per page as a typical light novel.

[personal profile] airlynx 2014-02-20 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I started watching Brotherhood! I just finished episode 6 and I don't know if that's far enough to have a solid opinion of whether it sucks or not. One thing I can say is the scene where Ed and Al are going back to their hometown by train and then suddenly they see the former state alchemist, and then he just happens to have been working on the Philosopher's Stone, and he just happens to have an imperfect version of it with him? Come on! That's too much coincidence. Eh, I'll keep watching and once I'm done with it eventually I'll go hunting for some 2003 raws.

I didn't really like Kirei until around the middle when he started stirring things up and stabbing Tokiomi and little things like that. Kiritsugu reminds me of Ozaki so much that even though he's clean-shaven, in my mind I always imagine him as having perma stubble. And he had some of the best fights ever!
Iris was such a good character. Her real age was, like, 14 or something? And yet she still had a kid. Which was kind of weird, but I liked her Kaori-like inner strength where she's stern and brave at the right moments like at the beginning where she convinces Kiritsugu that he can hold his child. And after being trapped in a castle all her life, her excitement at being outside was adorable; and if she was fazed, she didn't show it at all. She was one of my absolute favorite characters, now that I think about it.

I didn't like Waver. I sympathized with him at the beginning because I like characters that show their skill despite not having "the right" ancestry but his attitude was just...annoying somehow. I don't know if it was the tsun, I just didn't like him.


Natsuno deserves getting tsun'd at sometimes! As much as I kinda dislike his attitude, Megumi's advances were just creepy and if Kaori had known that Megumi actually stalked his house, maybe she wouldn't have insisted on giving him the card. Or maybe she knew anyway? People always seem nicer when they're far away (or dead, I guess). It's easy to forget Megumi's flaws when she's, uh, gone.

A good reason not to like Ritsuko is cause she's kind of boring. The perfect nurse who tragically gets attacked and then hangs out in a shed for the rest of the show. However, it depends on what one's personal morals are, but the viewer's supposed to gain a lot of respect for her for being the only Shiki who refuses to kill. It's especially significant because she's a nurse and knows that once someone's dead, they stay dead and even if they're moving around, they are still dead and should be treated as such. Therefore, she sees herself as dead and dead people don't eat or change out of their burial robes, so she does neither. Go Ritsuko! But that kind of self control could be hard to relate to for some people.

[personal profile] airlynx 2014-02-23 05:19 am (UTC)(link)

I fully intend to take a scientific and objective approach to watching Brotherhood. Just my own impression, without...outside influences.../pointed glance/

Urk, I knew that Fate/Zero had a novel, but I never bothered to read it. What kind of a fan am I!? It's been a while since I watched it for the first time--well, not that long I guess since I started at the end of August or something like that--but I didn't expect it to be that good so I kind of half-watched it at first, but in the first 40 minute episode, there was a long chunk where Tokiomi and Kirei Sr. talk to Kirei about his role in the Holy Grail War. I thought that was a lot of monologue, but I also thought that Kirei was going to become the main character. As much as I liked Kirei and Gilgamesh, I thought they could have had a better relationship. After a lifetime of being oppressed into the expectations of being a priest, are a few talks with Gilgamesh really enough to get Kirei to reveal his game face? And before I learned Kiritsugu's name, I actually dubbed him 'Black Ozaki' (now I'm imagining Ozaki as, like, African American). Hang on...Black Ozaki, and a depressed priest who has expectations forced on him...is this like the Ozaki and Seishin relationship, but on drugs? Kiritsugu may have the stubble down, but his chin is still too round for getting down to business!

There's the possibility that Ritsuko's there to be relatable for the reader, which doesn't necessarily mean that she has to be well written. Characters that are meant to be like everyday characters are usually pulled off better if they don't have really unique traits. Ritsuko's actions really are logical and everything; if I was a nurse in Sotoba, the best course of action I could probably take would be the same as Ritsuko does. It can even be said that she does what everyone in Sotoba should have done...but they were too late. She could've made a difference if she moved earlier--actually, if the whole village thought to look past their own noses and moved earlier, they could've made a difference, but a big theme of the story is how dysfunctional the village really is so that wouldn't happen. I think I saw a review of Shiki that called her too 'timid' or something for not telling Ozaki about seeing Nao in the woods. Like okay, but she doesn't know what the viewer knows...telling your boss that you saw a dead person walking around is a good way to get yourself fired, especially in a realistic type of setting like Sotoba.

Yeah, I hate informed abilities too. I haven't gotten too far into Brotherhood yet to really judge how Al will turn out, but so far I think he's totally bland and I can see him continuing to be bland throughout the series. Another good thing about Ritsuko is that you really get to know her through her actions, so instead of Infodump-sensei or someone having to explain that she's a good, normal nurse, you kind of just get her whole personality through her interactions with the other nurses and other patients, although that's not shown as much.

Maybe having to think to find a flaw in Ritsuko is a mark of a good character. Sometimes to make characters more believable and realistic, authors exaggerate their flaws so much that a specific flaw stands out right in the viewer's face, although there might be more flaws besides that one. That's a lot like real life; if you don't really know a person, their flaws don't just jump out. And that's what Ritsuko is like to the reader; she's not a heavy monologuer like Ozaki or, God forbid, Seishin, so we never really get to know her besides a superficial impression based on her interactions. Sadly, looks do make a big impression. Buuut they aren't the final decision. For instance, I personally think that Natsuno is the hottest guy in Shiki (after Atsushi, unnnf) but I still dislike him. I bet he wouldn't have as many fangirls if he wasn't so bishonen and fashion forward!

If nothing else, let's at least establish the fact that Ritsuko's Mountain Pass is a definite flaw.

Edited 2014-02-23 05:19 (UTC)

[personal profile] airlynx 2014-03-04 04:47 am (UTC)(link)
Is there a place where you can see the VN? I didn't dislike the anime; I watched it after Fate/Zero so I guess I had my standards kind of high. But I really liked the characters, they were a big plus in contrast to F/Z, which is mostly plot, action, and psychological mind-screw. I'm referring to the first 15 or so episodes though when I make that generalization; I still haven't actually finished Fate/Stay Night. It's kind of an ongoing thing, along with like five other shows.

So when I watched the infodump scene, I sort of zoned out too, but unlike you I still didn't know what the Grail War really was and just kinda figured it out along the way. And I managed just fine, which proves that the Kirei Circle scene could be cut out entirely. Maybe it's there to prove to the viewers that Tokiomi exists, because tbh he is practically nonexistent after that.


I'm curious as to what kind of a job you have as to get clients that complain about ghosts!? Yeah, I feel your pain, though...one of my past friends used to say that she could see ghosts. One time during a slumber party at my house, we were watching TV when she suddenly went pale and pointed to a corner and whispered, "Your home is plagued by spirits!" Just as I was getting ready to kick her out, she pulled out a goddamn Ouija board out of her bag and started communicating with the ghost. After we suffered through that, she got 'possessed' by the ghost and started talking about what her past life was like 100 years ago. And this came totally out of nowhere, she seemed totally normal until these quirks started showing themselves...I don't talk to her anymore! But I can't imagine dealing with that on a daily basis.

Ozaki is just so down-to-earth that it would be impossible for Ritsuko to imagine him taking her Nao ghost story seriously. It must've seemed really freaky for Seishin to see him becoming so sure that vampires would attack the clinic.


Maybe she should get a weave?

There are some characters that you just can't help liking! If that was Ono's intention, maybe Ritsuko was there to be sympathetic, just like Masao's there for the reader to hate. Nobody can help not liking Masao.

[personal profile] airlynx 2014-03-07 12:51 am (UTC)(link)

Thanks for the link! I'm a hands-on person so I'll try looking at some places to download it from to play it. I had heard parts of it were kind of inappropriate...but I'll watch them for the plot.

My friend also went so far as to get into a relationship with a ghost, too. She started about two years ago and when we stopped talking 9 months ago the relationship was still going strong. I guess you can call it pretty serious; they used to stay up late into the night chatting over the Ouija together...yeah, I wish I was making this up. That experience with the child makes me vicariously horrified. I can't really deal with kids either; whenever I see any, I either try to avoid them or go the opposite way and try to be super-friendly, in which case I think I come off kinda creepy too. But that sounds like it would suck telling off, or being strict to, the inhabitants of the shelter. Cause they've been through a lot so you'd wanna be nice to them, but if they're ranting about ghosts it would take almost inhuman patience not to snap at one point. I can't stand parents who won't reign their children in; even if that lady believes in ghosts, that doesn't mean she can't keep her child from harassing someone who's just doing their job! Has your printout proven useful?

Aw, I kinda feel bad now...I have to admit I kind of like ghost stories, and am a little scared of empty dark places (although that doesn't necessarily have to be ghosts). I'm not sure if I believe in them though, or at least the popular way they're portrayed, Ghost Hunt-style. Souls of dead people lingering unseen somewhere? Maybe. Not stuff like hauntings, though.

Your jobs sound pretty cool, actually; you said before that you lucked out finding them, and it certainly sounds like it. Although it also sounds like you have to deal with a lot of frustration at work. I had been thinking you worked in the SPR to have to deal with ghost complaints! With the medicinal/diet stuff, I feel like you and Ozaki could bond over the pain of dealing with patients' beliefs in home remedies.

I'm even less educated than you two, but even I kind of roll my eyes at home remedies. One time when I was sick a relative bought me a necklace of stones that are supposed to 'suck away negative energy' from the body. I mean, I'm already sick, why do I need to put up with having a bunch of rocks around my neck too!? Of course I didn't get better, and then later it turns out I had pneumonia, so...that could've ended badly.

Especially with that new chapter, it seems like Masao exists just to be hated. In the anime I thought he was annoying and tried to copy Natsuno, but now I know he's annoying and abusive of his own volition. He's a good character I guess though, because he's actually realistic and those are the types of personages that I end up liking; sad as it sounds, there really are a lot of people like him around everywhere. As for Ritsuko, there you go--she doesn't do things that are too good for a normal person (maybe some people, but there are definitely people who'd behave the same way as she does), and love interests don't dominate her storyline. That's why I personally like Ritsuko; she's a pretty strong female character whose inner strength is shown without having her romantic feelings or lack thereof be the main focus. I really dislike heroines that are supposed to be 'strong' by dealing with their love interests in a way that shows they are smart and/or independent, but they're otherwise basic in all other aspects. It's refreshing to see her being awesome just by being herself!

[personal profile] airlynx 2014-03-14 02:45 am (UTC)(link)

Aw well, I guess if you work with them long enough they can start getting annoying. I'm not in your situation so I don't know exaaactly your reasons for being against them, but I can kinda relate because a lot of patients with pretty serious illnesses come into where I work, and some are so snobby and snappish and curmudgeon-y that I start hoping that they'd trip on their way out. Being afflicted with a hardship in your life just doesn't pardon you from being a royal douche.

Then do vampires and shikis and the like also rub you the wrong way like other supernatural stuff? A party where invitation is based on how much you enjoy Ouija-boarding isn't one most people would want to go anyway.

I think the problem with the "I DON'T NEED NO MAN" types is that they try so hard to make them seem independent (because of course, normal-acting girls are hated by fandoms for being doormats) which makes them come off really annoying. Both guys and girls can be in a relationship without being fiery and independent; believe it or not, it's okay not to push away your love interest when they're admitting their feelings! Who knew? I think that might be a factor in why people who watch that kind of stuff all the time have a reputation as being loners who nobody would date, because they assume that all relationships should be like what they see in anime with the tsunderes, while that would actually be pretty weird in real life. Back to Ritsuko, yeah, it's so refreshing that she interacts with a number of guys, but they don't throw her off or keep her from being a generally good person. It actually indicates a greater strength of character because even if she might feel flustered around Tohru, she hides it pretty well, and keeping control of yourself is a good trait to have. She's actually a stronger character for not tsun'ing out, she doesn't let no man change her awesome self.

[personal profile] airlynx 2014-03-25 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
The only thing necessary to make me feel horror is cicadas! Once they're there, I'm cowering.

I think it's really reiterated that a horror story becomes scarier if you feel like it can actually happen. I wonder how I'd feel if I was reading Shiki without having seen the anime? Probably still kind of enjoying the slow horror. But it can be argued that the true horror of Shiki comes from the fear and reactions of the characters? Or rather, that the shiki are only catalysts for displaying the real horror. For instance, we're already how far into the book and everyone knows about this scary illness that's killing people and it's impossible to pin down. That could happen in real life, and although it's caused by the shiki, it could very well be the situation with a new illness being discovered in some isolated village. Also the paranoia of the people, and even the dysfunction of the village as a whole is very 'horror' if you think about it, because it brings suspense that with all that tension, something will happen. And of course, all those creepy empty characters (I'm looking at you, Monk) that rely on lolis to keep them going too. So the shiki are all but absent so far on, and the author probably wrote it that way on purpose to add a dose of horror that doesn't rely on just the supernatural but is created by a group of people with high levels of paranoia.

Hmm, at this point my explanation could be that Ozaki was involved with the mafia at one point during college. Then he got the leader mad, and escaped with his life back to Sotoba. Now the gang knows how important the village really is to Ozaki, so they're trying to kill it off, one by one, to inflict as much suffering on Ozaki as possible. Their weapon of choice is a new poison that induces the illness that causes all of the deaths. They can't possibly kill everyone, so some people they bribe to cut all ties, quit jobs, and move out etc. And Ozaki recognizes that it's the work of the gang somehow (he either a) recognizes the poison which has been a trademark of this gang since he was a part of it, or b) sees a gang member and guesses the truth). That's why he doesn't want these cases to be made public, because his past with the gang is kind of shady too, and doing so would put the blame on him too. The person who attacks Masao is a gang member.
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