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[sinnesspiel]

Setsudo to Heion - Moderation and Peace

Circle: Kamakema (加村)　(Homepage)
Pairing: Ozaki Toshio x Muroi Seishin = Explicit
Summary: Plot? What plot?
 

Merry Christmas and thanks for the 6 months of support and feedback! For those of you not into this side of the fandom or under-age, I'll try to whip out another chapter today and tomorrow as well for Christmas.

For those of you into it, my image editing/text setting skills are non-existent, but I hope you're able to enjoy it anyway.

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Re: 8D

[(Anonymous)]

8D - I really should learn about grammar and structures from Japanese songs as well.

About the osananajimi subject: Toshio is reminiscing: -Maitta na... Aitsu no iutta toori ka (toori? Tori?)
-Sou, osananajimi no iutta you ni.
I translated it as (please correct me if I'm wrong!) 'I gave up...' that was what he said, wasn't it? Really, that's what his childhood friend said.

Gave up about what though, I don't know, and I don't think it's addressed there. (or is there another meaning to it?) So whether Toshio is referring to Seishin, or another person who's with him hunting down the Shiki, I still can't tell. I feel that it's weird that Seishin's name isn't used here, if he's really thinking about Seishin that is. After that though, the series of deep realization begins and Toshio's looking up at the kitayama again. (the others are looking at where he's looking up at too) Then he tells the guys there to assemble at Chigusa for a bit, to which after saying that, he looks up at the kitayama again, which ends at the 'swallowing everything'.


About the 1.4 which we discussed the other day though, I was actually referring to when Toshio says 'If I lost that many clients, at least Seishin will be raking it in.' that's kinda unprompted isn't it? (Which serves as the moment Toshio is recognized as Seishin's close friend by us readers)


On the unrelated note: I don't have a pixiv account, I wonder if I should make one.

Re: 8D

[sinnesspiel]

Maitta is a general phrase of just being generally beaten/out of options/swept up. "I give up" as a translation is an expression of that kind of sentiment. You could also translate it as 'well, shit'. Just generally being without recourse. So, there's nothing specific he really 'gave up'.

You're pretty close; I think it's the toori throwing your off. Toori means 'according to' or 'along with'. There's a Death Note meme 'Keikaku toori' which means 'according to plan.' Just as planned, etc.

My translation would he:

(Assuming the text is:
Maitta na... aitsu no itta toori ka.
Sou. Osananajimi no itta you ni.)

'Well, damn.... Just like he said, huh?'
Yes, just as his childhood friend had said.

Oh, yeah, the mention of Seishin there was pretty unprompted! Forgot that. He seems to enjoy pointing out the cryptic continuity between their jobs. He did it with Tatsumi, too.

I enjoy Pixiv. It's easier to browse with an account since it keeps prompting you to log in to look at all of an artist's works or things under specific tags, etc. but if you don't use Pixiv in general, it's probably not too useful, naturally.

Re: 8D

[(Anonymous)]

8D - I like it when your icon changes! And whoop, I misunderstood the maitta completely. (In this case, I'll have to reread the passage before the maitta) The more I know, thank you very much! I'll surely have lots and lots more to ask.

The 'swallowing' here is 'nomikondeiku', in this case, can it really be translated as 'swallowing'? I'm on my mobile, can't paste from the novel (because my romanization may be incorrect) and besides, this page again doesn't come up on my laptop... but I can paste in different section.

Re: 8D

[(Anonymous)]

8D - oh and yes, the word which I wrote as 'iutta' uses the same kanji as in the 'iu', so I suppose 'itta' is the correct one. (now that you've corrected it, I really don't see the hiragana 'u' anywhere in the text too haha)

[sinnesspiel]

I just hit 'random icon' until it picks one that isn't the one I just uploaded for the YuGiOh joke or the two 'failure' icons; for some reason it seems to like the default scary Ozaki one. Today you get Seishin!

Yup, 'goes on swallowing' or just swallowing's fine. I'm at home right now, so I can enter Japanese! 飲み込んでいく　is how it probably looks. It's drink (飲む) + engulf (込む) + go (行く), so it's like a triple compound verb.

8D

[(Anonymous)]

The 'nomi' here uses kanji 呑, is this somehow rare? I think it's my first time seeing this kanji, I usually see the one you typed.

Double-triple compund verbs are one of many things which makes Japanese interesting, but too often it has caused me headache. Well, I think I bring that upon myself because I only know aaaa littleeee of Japanese but already pick a novel like Shiki to learn from because I'm impatient. Sometime ago when I had lots of time I tried to analyze some texts (first paragraphs of second volume of Shiki) to translate them for myself but bet that has many mistakes too. (I may paste some here for you to see later)

I'll also learn from some articles I bookmarked yesterday. :>

[sinnesspiel]

That's a pretty obscure one; I had to look it up. Looks like it's mostly used in poetic contexts and names. Shiki definitely goes for poetic prose at times, and not just in Seishin's novels.

Shiki's a hell of a work to pick up as a beginner. You might want to try reading the manga raw instead; you already have a rough guide on what it says, and it has furigana which helps a lot. Even that's kind of tough; you might try some more basic manga like Yotsuba to or shounen/shoujo manga aiming for a younger crowd (as Shiki is technically shounen--between the medical babble and Seishin's archaic novel excerpts though, it's not necessarily an easy thing to start with).

8D

[(Anonymous)]

One of the pros of learning from Shiki is that because it's in the form of word document, I can always look up the words. but yeah, it's too difficult for me currently. I'll try your suggestions next time!

...and by the way, I've solved the problem with my laptop. I feel kinda dumb. The reason my laptop couldn't view your certain posts was because what I bookmarked was your shiki-tagged entries page, and those posts aren't tagged as shiki.

Also, I wanna learn drawing/coloring digitally. Since you seem to be able to, any suggestions of guides to learn from? What's the program used for this? Is a tablet an absolute necessity? My friend colored some of my drawings in the past, so I'm aware that one may be able to scan some manual drawings and color them digitally but, I figure a tablet may provide more advantages. But again, a tablet is bound not to be cheap and I'm afraid I won't use it so often because I get bored a lot. But I figure it'll be easier for me if I'm able to draw/color digitally. (when I face difficulties, I tend to give up easily haha (especially when I'm coloring. I can draw more than I can color))

[sinnesspiel]

Context is sometimes more important than the dictionary definition, but in this case, other than knowing it's an unusually poetic word choice for the overall style, I'm not really sure it changes the meaning significantly. If your kanji dictionary lists its frequency/how common it is, you can probably get a hazy idea. The only way to really learn context is by reading lots of stuff, so maybe picking up anything you can get your hands on is the way to go after all!

I'm not much of an artist at all. I have no tablet, but because if that I have to mouse-trace over a lot of my scans to get clean line art. Find a program that's free/in your price range, Google for a guide on how to do the basic functions (layers, masks, brushes) and from there I think you just kinda have to feel it out. I don't know what your style is; I'm just a copycat, myself, I have no style to admire, and thus the specific program's features are fairly unimportant if it has the basics. The better artists who have more natural looking work go ahead and use their own style. I'm a sad amateur who likes to excuse flaws with "well, that's just how the characters look in the source material."

8D

[(Anonymous)]

...I have to start from easier stuffs. I don't even remember most of the basic grammar rules and structures, so I have to work on that first I think. Then proceed to manga raws which have furiganas. ((which reminds me, I bought two Japanese mangas from Kinokuniya last year (they were expensive, but Japanese mangas are so nice) but apparently what I bought were seinen mangas. One is Kamatani-sensei's Shounen Note (I forgot that this one is seinen) and the other was some sort of Tales of Vesperia prelude. I couldn't read them at all, I mourned my money. My sister bought Kuroko no Basuke though, I could use that for practicing))

Ugh. I learned some of photoshop in high school but I've forgotten most if not all of them. (they're basic image editing too, not coloring/drawing, but they ought to be useful) finding guides to learn from (including how to draw anatomy) is in order.