sinnesspiel | Merry Christmas! It's not much. In fact, you could even say it "isn't too much at all...."

Merry Christmas to you! Whoaaa whoaa whoaaa I'll get to that once I'm on my laptop! What a pleasant surprise, thank you very much! (I rarely see Toshio/Seishin doujin. Have I even seen one before this?)

On which I mentioned beforehand: I've tried to translate some, but I cannot differentiate between jibun. How do you do that? X_X

On the osananajimi subject: I'm quite sure it doesn't refer to the people on the pickup car with Toshio. First they're only random people, second Yuuki is the only person he talks to that moment. (much different from the anime)

Thirdly, I'm quite sure Toshio was looking at the temple direction. The very last sentence right before the epilogue says: Toshio once more looks up at the northern mountain. The flame is delving deeper into the mountain temple -- swallowing everything. (I wrote 'swallowing' but it uses -iku, did I get it wrong? Is there a more proper way to translate it?)

There's nothing romantic about it though, because even if he indeed thinks about Seishin, it's only about deep realization/understanding on his part. Both understanding himself and Seishin, I think, but I still don't get the jibun, so I can't say for sure.

I'd need the sentence, but from the sounds of it you've got the jist. Jibun means 'self' and can refer to either the general concept of one's self, the speakers self, or more rarely (mostly distinct to Osaka-ben and the dialects around there) can mean "you" or "yourself." As for how to differentiate, a lot of times it's common sense/context.

The -iku add on to a verb just means it goes forth doing the verb it's appended to, so the flame goes forth swallowing everything.

Summary of today's lessons:

Seishin wo jibun no mono toshite totte-iku.
(S)He takes Seishin as his/her own (with the implication that it's an ongoing thing, not 'taking him once and done'; it's something (s)he goes forth doing for a non-sepcified length of time).

You decide who the subject is.

I only have this doujinshi and Happy Family Planning (same circle). I've asked to buy others direct from the circles but they don't ship/sell unless you're in Japan, alas. There's a Seishin/Toshio one I saw that was mostly chibi gag manga that I'm trying to get my hands on; I can't remember the name. I know of another one called "The village is surrounded by love" which is a Tosio/Seishin and Natsuno/Tohru one by several circles that I'm trying to get ahold of. There's a Toshio/Seishin printed fanfic doujinshi based on the novel back before the anime/manga were made that I've seen and am passingly interested in but not really actively seeking. That makes up all of the print ones I know about at this time.

Pixiv has a few shorter ones, many very good. There was an event called "To-fest" and I think another this year called "As water to flowers, love to Toshio" which were Toshio-uke events; most of the circles participating seemed to be Tatsumi/Toshio, but I believe there was mention of someone submitting some Seishin/Toshio (the group that did the 4koma one mentioned above drew an ad for ToFest so I assume they're involved).

Edited 2013-12-24 16:28 (UTC)

8D - I really should learn about grammar and structures from Japanese songs as well.

About the osananajimi subject: Toshio is reminiscing: -Maitta na... Aitsu no iutta toori ka (toori? Tori?)
-Sou, osananajimi no iutta you ni.
I translated it as (please correct me if I'm wrong!) 'I gave up...' that was what he said, wasn't it? Really, that's what his childhood friend said.

Gave up about what though, I don't know, and I don't think it's addressed there. (or is there another meaning to it?) So whether Toshio is referring to Seishin, or another person who's with him hunting down the Shiki, I still can't tell. I feel that it's weird that Seishin's name isn't used here, if he's really thinking about Seishin that is. After that though, the series of deep realization begins and Toshio's looking up at the kitayama again. (the others are looking at where he's looking up at too) Then he tells the guys there to assemble at Chigusa for a bit, to which after saying that, he looks up at the kitayama again, which ends at the 'swallowing everything'.

About the 1.4 which we discussed the other day though, I was actually referring to when Toshio says 'If I lost that many clients, at least Seishin will be raking it in.' that's kinda unprompted isn't it? (Which serves as the moment Toshio is recognized as Seishin's close friend by us readers)

On the unrelated note: I don't have a pixiv account, I wonder if I should make one.

Maitta is a general phrase of just being generally beaten/out of options/swept up. "I give up" as a translation is an expression of that kind of sentiment. You could also translate it as 'well, shit'. Just generally being without recourse. So, there's nothing specific he really 'gave up'.

You're pretty close; I think it's the toori throwing your off. Toori means 'according to' or 'along with'. There's a Death Note meme 'Keikaku toori' which means 'according to plan.' Just as planned, etc.

My translation would he:

(Assuming the text is:
Maitta na... aitsu no itta toori ka.
Sou. Osananajimi no itta you ni.)

'Well, damn.... Just like he said, huh?'
Yes, just as his childhood friend had said.

Oh, yeah, the mention of Seishin there was pretty unprompted! Forgot that. He seems to enjoy pointing out the cryptic continuity between their jobs. He did it with Tatsumi, too.

I enjoy Pixiv. It's easier to browse with an account since it keeps prompting you to log in to look at all of an artist's works or things under specific tags, etc. but if you don't use Pixiv in general, it's probably not too useful, naturally.

Edited (toori explanation) 2013-12-25 01:52 (UTC)

8D - I like it when your icon changes! And whoop, I misunderstood the maitta completely. (In this case, I'll have to reread the passage before the maitta) The more I know, thank you very much! I'll surely have lots and lots more to ask.

The 'swallowing' here is 'nomikondeiku', in this case, can it really be translated as 'swallowing'? I'm on my mobile, can't paste from the novel (because my romanization may be incorrect) and besides, this page again doesn't come up on my laptop... but I can paste in different section.

8D - oh and yes, the word which I wrote as 'iutta' uses the same kanji as in the 'iu', so I suppose 'itta' is the correct one. (now that you've corrected it, I really don't see the hiragana 'u' anywhere in the text too haha)

I just hit 'random icon' until it picks one that isn't the one I just uploaded for the YuGiOh joke or the two 'failure' icons; for some reason it seems to like the default scary Ozaki one. Today you get Seishin!

Yup, 'goes on swallowing' or just swallowing's fine. I'm at home right now, so I can enter Japanese! 飲み込んでいく　is how it probably looks. It's drink (飲む) + engulf (込む) + go (行く), so it's like a triple compound verb.

The 'nomi' here uses kanji 呑, is this somehow rare? I think it's my first time seeing this kanji, I usually see the one you typed.

Double-triple compund verbs are one of many things which makes Japanese interesting, but too often it has caused me headache. Well, I think I bring that upon myself because I only know aaaa littleeee of Japanese but already pick a novel like Shiki to learn from because I'm impatient. Sometime ago when I had lots of time I tried to analyze some texts (first paragraphs of second volume of Shiki) to translate them for myself but bet that has many mistakes too. (I may paste some here for you to see later)

I'll also learn from some articles I bookmarked yesterday. :>

That's a pretty obscure one; I had to look it up. Looks like it's mostly used in poetic contexts and names. Shiki definitely goes for poetic prose at times, and not just in Seishin's novels.

Shiki's a hell of a work to pick up as a beginner. You might want to try reading the manga raw instead; you already have a rough guide on what it says, and it has furigana which helps a lot. Even that's kind of tough; you might try some more basic manga like Yotsuba to or shounen/shoujo manga aiming for a younger crowd (as Shiki is technically shounen--between the medical babble and Seishin's archaic novel excerpts though, it's not necessarily an easy thing to start with).

One of the pros of learning from Shiki is that because it's in the form of word document, I can always look up the words. but yeah, it's too difficult for me currently. I'll try your suggestions next time!

...and by the way, I've solved the problem with my laptop. I feel kinda dumb. The reason my laptop couldn't view your certain posts was because what I bookmarked was your shiki-tagged entries page, and those posts aren't tagged as shiki.

Also, I wanna learn drawing/coloring digitally. Since you seem to be able to, any suggestions of guides to learn from? What's the program used for this? Is a tablet an absolute necessity? My friend colored some of my drawings in the past, so I'm aware that one may be able to scan some manual drawings and color them digitally but, I figure a tablet may provide more advantages. But again, a tablet is bound not to be cheap and I'm afraid I won't use it so often because I get bored a lot. But I figure it'll be easier for me if I'm able to draw/color digitally. (when I face difficulties, I tend to give up easily haha (especially when I'm coloring. I can draw more than I can color))

Context is sometimes more important than the dictionary definition, but in this case, other than knowing it's an unusually poetic word choice for the overall style, I'm not really sure it changes the meaning significantly. If your kanji dictionary lists its frequency/how common it is, you can probably get a hazy idea. The only way to really learn context is by reading lots of stuff, so maybe picking up anything you can get your hands on is the way to go after all!

I'm not much of an artist at all. I have no tablet, but because if that I have to mouse-trace over a lot of my scans to get clean line art. Find a program that's free/in your price range, Google for a guide on how to do the basic functions (layers, masks, brushes) and from there I think you just kinda have to feel it out. I don't know what your style is; I'm just a copycat, myself, I have no style to admire, and thus the specific program's features are fairly unimportant if it has the basics. The better artists who have more natural looking work go ahead and use their own style. I'm a sad amateur who likes to excuse flaws with "well, that's just how the characters look in the source material."

...I have to start from easier stuffs. I don't even remember most of the basic grammar rules and structures, so I have to work on that first I think. Then proceed to manga raws which have furiganas. ((which reminds me, I bought two Japanese mangas from Kinokuniya last year (they were expensive, but Japanese mangas are so nice) but apparently what I bought were seinen mangas. One is Kamatani-sensei's Shounen Note (I forgot that this one is seinen) and the other was some sort of Tales of Vesperia prelude. I couldn't read them at all, I mourned my money. My sister bought Kuroko no Basuke though, I could use that for practicing))

Ugh. I learned some of photoshop in high school but I've forgotten most if not all of them. (they're basic image editing too, not coloring/drawing, but they ought to be useful) finding guides to learn from (including how to draw anatomy) is in order.

Woah, Merry Christmas! I knew you were doing something for the holidays, but that is not what I expected! I usually don't hunt for doujins but I enjoyed reading it. My favorite parts were the funny ones, like the omake when he's studying for med school, I snickered out loud. It's funny how quickly it escalates. Like they're drinking tea and then suddenly Ozaki's copping a feel!

I think the image editing/text setting looked pretty professional here! I liked the font choice, and it was constant throughout, which is the important thing, I hate font shifts. Like one time I was reading a manga with the usual Comic Sans and then suddenly...Papyrus...

And as usual thank you for the excellent and continuous translations! I am so happy I found this project, and I'm excited every time it's updated! Keep it up ^__^

You might like Happy Family Planning better when I get around to that; it's all gag manga, and even the cover is funny (Ozaki blowing up a condom like a balloon as Seishin looks coquettish). Unlike most of the doujinshi I translate nobody else is interested in this pair to do the text setting work, so you might be stuck waiting until next Christmas for it, but since I'll still be translating next Christmas, it'll be good to have something on hand to put up for the Christmas 2014 post!

Just that cover alone is enough to get me interested! Especially with works as serious as Shiki, it's nice to just sit back and laugh at the characters sometimes. Nooo, but next Christmas is so far away~ well, I don't really celebrate Christmas anyway (for me, it's on the 7th of January which is a school day to boot). Text setting is just fitting the text into the sfx's and bubbles, right? I could probably do that, since for work I'm usually tasked with making posters and other sorts of graphic designs because I'm the most computer savvy one there (and the one who has no life). So I could give it a shot!

Then, depending where I'm at with things, I may just throw the raws at you. See what happens when you volunteer? ~~You get early sneak peaks at doujinshi!~~ You get pushed into free labor.

In other news, Takami x Atsushi is clearly hands down the hottest pair in Shiki. I have seen your picture and shared it; it will convert the masses, who will shout: "Why are doujinshi of it rarer than even ToshioxSesihin?!"

Challenge accepted! Until the raws are thrown, I shall rest while I still can to build up my strength. I wouldn't call it free labor since I'm the one that gets to mooch off of your Shiki translations! Fanwork is the currency.

Step aside, Seishin! Move over, Mutou! Y'all are out, and The Next Top Shiki Pairing is in.
Then the black market dealings will start. On the dark streets of London, Paris, and Rio de Janeiro, trench-coat clad Shiki fans will meet in secret, exchanging Atsumi fanart and fanfiction right under the noses of the police.

Buuuut, that has given me the idea of making a brave attempt at making an Atsumi doujinshi of my own. I can see it now: yaoi hands, sparkling eyes, shoujo bubbles...

Bara, fish lips, yaoi hands, and Shiki fashion. Not only will you create a new gay porn sensation, you may also create a work of horror more terrifying than Shiki itself.

Gay porn? Don't be lewd! I just want to educate young readers about what true love is by following the footsteps of the strong lead protagonist Atsushi as he demonstrates his devotion to the brazen and brash Officer Takami (in my headcanon Takami is seme) without resorting to physical relationships. So if there are groinal conjunctions, they will take place after marriage thank you very much.

I don't know what's scarier: Atsumi porn or Atsumi fluff.

Takami has to be seme. He's the cop. This isn't some crazy anarchist pair about overthrowing The Man with seduction! It's a story that shows children what love is all about, to give them at least one healthy pair in this mad, mad world of Sotoba, and to show youth the proper way to be. Assuming the "way to be" is "having a secret tryst with the local married cop who also has two kids."

That's kind of like asking whether getting punched in the left kidney or right kidney is worse, there.

Because even though Atsushi has guns, the officer has the law on his side. It is a heartwarming story of how love changed an otherwise lawless delinquent into a law-abiding citizen (outside of the bedroom of course), and how a work-obsessed policeman comes to see that one's job isn't everything. In a world of confusing and frightening doctor-monk relationships, this pair will brighten up the dark age of Sotoba romance. As for the officer's family, well it's time to get with the times and learn the value of a second dad who can open any jar in the house.

The worst fear is the fear of the unknown--not knowing what Takami and Atsushi get up to in the dark.

Excellent porn doujinshi from fandoms I'm not actually in: you really do know how to make my Christmas! (That's not sarcasm. I really do enjoy them.)

This was great. I have no idea if it was in character or not but it felt like they had a character that wasn't 'uke' and 'seme'. That plus the fact that you picked this one to translate suggests that it was really good!

And it was hot, of course.

Seishin (the uke at least by this doujinshi's standards) is a character that's hard to pin down. Most of us reading who've seen the anime/read the manga remain uncertain as to whether Seishin either has a tragic one sided crush on Ozaki (the guy I used to play at DDD) or whether he's always secretly loathed him. It's a series that plays a lot with how situational emotions are; characters go from hoping and remembering love with their family to suddenly thinking, within literally two pages as the situation turns for the worst, "Actually, I've ALWAYS hated this person from the bottom of my heart!"

All current novel readers who comment regularly seem to support the pair so I Devil's Advocate against it actually being canon in the comments because it's my job as a translator to be as objective as possible, but setting that duty aside I currently think that 'Seishin has romantic feelings of some nature towards Ozaki' is a supportable reading. Less sure on Ozaki, but at least one reader sees Ozaki as the one with the crush and Seishin as hating him covertly. What's in character is really hard to pin down here. Unlike most works, there's not a lot of "feelings persevere through any trial!" going on in this canon. Just about everyone is awful.

Come to think of it, this doujinshi spends a few pages on your favorite kink, huh? Add to that a purple-haired, glasses wearing, self-torturingly idealistic monk who can decently be argued to canonically have a crush on his married/otherwise involved male friend... Hrrrrrmmm. I just can't imagine what the draw might be to you who is not into this fandom.

I'd start reading/watching for context (I've done that many times before) but I can't really handle series where everyone is awful and tons of people die at this moment. It's not good for my health.

No, of course not. Completely out of left field for me.

There's only maybe five or six remotely developed characters who don't have a moment of "I am a monster", and out of over 120 or so characters, way more than half die, many of them in intricately described, painful ways. This is a work for nihilists and sadists. And maybe masochists.

Monk ends up with a loli anyways.

Yeah, no thanks. I'd wait until you start translating Puppies and Kittens: the Series to get into one of your fandoms.

I may do Knights of Lamune 40 Fire if someone scans and text sets it. That's got puppy people and is pretty stock peppy shounen faire, at a short little 5 volumes. I just don't want to scan mine in because it's a pain and I hate image editing.

Perhaps someday you'll crave that Fate/Zero feel again, with less world building babble. Shiki is in some ways similar to that, only without the bad ass dramatic fight scenes. Shiki will be here. Being horrible.

I feel you. I've been working on scanning my copies of the SMT: Devil Children manga and a) it takes forever and b) my scanner isn't very good so they don't look great.

There's more likelihood that I'll just read dumb shipping fanfic on FF.net first!

...which I'm actually on that now so that says absolutely nothing.

and stalking Google for private RPs I've done with Seishins.

You realize since I tend to like misery, any story I co-author has a decent likelihood of going unhappy directions, right?

Yeahhh. But maybe nobody will die onscreen?

Ironically, I am roleplaying with a Seishin via AIM at this very minute. It did involve a graphic and painful attempt on Seishin's life by an NPC, but it failed. Does that count?

I just can't win here, can I? Sigh. Google isn't turning up anything either.

You could always read up until a Gotouda Fuki is mentioned. No real deaths come up until then.

...There's a known character death at the end of chapter/episode 1, and some fairly graphic corpses in the first few panels/seconds, so I won't recommend starting the anime/manga if that's not your bit.

Alternately, anyone reading this who plays Seishin and wishes to be kind to you could request a non-locked PSL/meme/etc.

Or you could say what has you interested in the pair and I can try to throw out a small fic or pic based on that.

Edited 2013-12-30 00:41 (UTC)

your entire pic collection

I mean what

Paste 敏静 (for Toshio seme)　or 静敏　(for Seishin seme) or 若コンビ (Junior Combi --they're called the Junior Monk and Junior Doctor by most townsfolk) into Pixiv search and voila, you have about what I do. I don't really keep much of a collection myself, sorry to say.

You're a saint among men.

You could call me a Saint Young Man, really.

Puns will get that status revoked.

Wait until I'm translating ~~Lamune~~ Puppies and Kitties: The Series and your favorite character ends up being the pun-happy DaCider.

It'll never happen! Never, I tell you!

Merry Christmas! It's not much. In fact, you could even say it "isn't too much at all...."

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