8D -- It's like here, lol. We don't have as good trains (or any public transportation really) as in Japan so we drive or use motorcycles instead, and there's no train in Sotoba according to Megumi. The downside is, even underage kids do it. I love driving but gazing into the scenery outside where the sun is scorching hot makes me go 'ugh', though it doesn't deter me because I'm not going outside my car lol. I love it most when it's cloudy, and driving when it's cloudy. Living in the tropics, I think there's quite the hype of going/wanting to go to winter places, but I don't envy those people. Not at all. When I was a kid I also rather liked the idea of seeing the snows, but now I worry more about getting frozen to death the moment I step on the snow. I mean, I even keep the temperature in my room no colder than 26 degree Celsius (I don't know how much it is in Fahrenheit) and I also really don't like traveling lol.
I guess sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, which also applies to introverts. Not everyone likes to go into deep analysis, and if you ask me, I actually also rarely analyze stuffs except myself or things related to me. Extroverts around me however are people who notice others way more than I do, so I'm not really sure if you ask me, but I'm considerably dense for a person. I'm also admittedly not good at listening closely because I have short attention span, and I'm also not exactly a person who likes to share stories with others (therefore I rarely demand people to listen to me) so I'm often a bit caught off guard whenever people want to share their stories with me lol. I also so rarely notice stuffs about people unless they outright tell me, so if you play tsundere with me chances are I'm not even going to notice it lol. Good thing people around me know that.
I do happen to love psychology way more than medicine, but I'm not sure if I can study it formally. Minors aren't exactly a thing here as far as I'm aware, and aside from the fact that my uni studies obviously don't include psychology, there's just no time. Now I kind of feel a bit down about it, lol. But even then I don't know if I like psychology enough to study it formally, since I'm a person who rarely feels deeply excited about anything, especially if it requires some degree of commitment. The reason I go to med school is more about familiarity than anything, really. That might be one of the reasons I relate with Seishin. About horoscopes: I don't believe it at all, and I don't think there's correlation between it and personality types. At least, I don't see the reason. I'm a Virgo, and like you, horoscopes get me wrong 80% of the time I cannot take it seriously. And... well, please don't take MBTI as 100% scientific because it hasn't been acknowledged yet by most higher-ups in psychology world it seems. Some people obviously believe in it, some don't. I personally rather believe it because it gets me mostly right, and when I apply it to other people it's also mostly right in my opinion lol. It helps me understand people who are different from me, if I do say so myself. I think we better treat MBTI as informal thing for now. I also pay a bit attention to Enneagram, because it also gets me right -- and I'm type 6. I think type 6 also describes Seishin lol. I think we're both type 6 INFPs, or as I dub it, the 'semi/pseudo-individualists' since we're individualistic at our core but are still too scared to fully follow ourselves.
I think I have rather high amount of self-acceptance, so I think you're right. It's just, as someone who's actually all about individuality and identity, being someone else is a no-go. Even if I wish to, I cannot. I'll always go back to myself, both good and bad. I can't even act as someone else for five minutes. I'm not even good at hiding myself, which is probably why other people can read me pretty easily. Not that I'm absolutely thrilled with everything about myself (there are obviously parts of me I so don't like I want to kick them to Antarctica, but I also think that I'm a good specimen to study it so I keep them be), and it's never like I've never had any angst (lol), but I just cannot be anyone else. So yeah, I try to work on parts I think need improving, even if I don't always do good. I'd say that, having someone other (even if fictional) that I can relate a lot to (to the point of identifying to a degree) is comforting.
You've just described me as well, lol. Let's see, the reasons I appear considerably 'dutiful' when I'm actually not and concerned are because 1) I hate giving people negative impressions of myself (image-concerned) and thus I avoid causing conflicts 2) I don't like disappointing people 3) I'm so easily swayed by other people's feelings 4) I'm actually gutless. I cannot go against people even when I want to 5) I wish to have support system because I'm in fact an anxious person who hates being without support. If I don't 'appear to perform my duties', I will lose this support system. This is probably me, but I can see these reasons apply to Seishin as well. In the end, though, he's still too much of an individualist that he chooses to follow his own self, but I think it's mostly due to him finding another support system he can rely on -- Sunako. I think that's why he goes to great lengths to keep her alive, since if she falters, he will too. If it were not for this alternative support system, I doubt he'd go that far really. I'm much like him in this regard; we cannot function without any support system, and what we truly want is a support system than can accommodate us and accept us as we are. "I want to do things the way I like it, but I want a safe place for it."
Insisting on having guidance -- support systems -- is a part of me I'm not very thrilled with but also (intellectually) amused with. That's why I get swayed easily by people, and why I like to flock up to 'dominant' or 'charming people'. I sometimes really hate how my opinions hinge on certain people, hate the thought of faltering when they themselves falter. I mentioned that I have a friend who was sorta like Toshio, and it's a fact that I often look up to her, to the point of making her an anchor in many things I do (mostly uni-related). Sometimes I realize that she makes mistakes, and that's when I feel a bit shaken, and thinks "I really cannot keep on being like this." But I think I still make her an anchor in many things, even now. Part of reasons as to why I don't think Seishin has romantic feelings toward Toshio, even if he probably appears to also hinge on Toshio in some things is this; I still do it to my friend even without being into her romantically. That's dependence, not romance.
My friends see this part of me as 'a safe (good?) quality to have in a girl' because it means I'm, well, submissive and avoiding conflicts, and I snorted inside when they said it. I don't feel secure on my own and that's not a good trait, lol. I want to be more like them, like my Toshio-friend who's a fierce girl (even if I cringe sometimes at what she does). I love having guidance, and finding people who can guide me so I can learn from them to be better, but this is, while peaceful, not a good trait if left unchecked and definitely needs some improving. I also thought of Seishin when they said it, unavoidably -- if this is a good trait to find in girls, how is it then if found in guys? No girl will want to be with a guy like that, I surmise. People are incredible, but my friends are also in a way, victims. I cannot blame them for thinking like that, when even my Toshio-friend sometimes thinks that she's 'too much' (not that exact word though, since I don't know how to translate it into English) for a girl.
On to the marriage ordeal -- I wonder if it's actually him staying to his own principles tightly and not mainly because he just takes advantage of his situations. The people around him are currently cutting him some slack because they are afraid he'd repeat his suicide attempt because they pressure him too much. This circumstance provides Seishin with exactly what he needs -- a condition where he can assert his principles, even when it's imperfect. I think he's clinging to it. If he actually gets pressured a lot, he'll probably give in.
I don't really know if Toshio relies on people's opinions, but I think even if he does, it's to a lesser degree than Seishin. He's dutiful, and I think dutiful people can appear caring about people's opinions. I don't think even Toshio will find it peaceful to cause so much conflicts, and I think people normally want to avoid conflicts. I see him feeling like he has to do things as more from his own principles than from how people will think of it. His marrying Kyouko was out of duty, though. I think the reason as to why Toshio is so self-sacrificing is because he puts aside his own personal desires, but he still does it not for people's good opinions.
Ah, so that's how you got the idea to analyze Toshio from -- the part of 'doing things on your own terms but are still within realm of duties'. It's nice when you can still align your desires with people's expectations on you. If you ask about the words important to me that often make appearances in my comments, I think they would be 1) Human (human beings fascinate me as much as they frustrate me) 2) Natural (I think it's to make sure what I do and Seishin do are indeed still normal (since my analyses of him are interconnected with my own introspection lol) and 3) Individual, since I'm all for individuality, and I lack social perception.
I agree that that's quite realistically possible lol, which was why I put it in metaphors. I love metaphors because they're in a way removed from reality I guess, like existing in fantasy realm -- indifferent, emotionless and rather playful. I sometimes love to play with metaphors. I think metaphorically a Toshio that's not an Ozaki doesn't exist because he works tirelessly for the village's wellbeing -- like it's his only purpose. It's an Ozaki's purpose, to serve the village after all. Toshio lives for the village (in a way), so the Toshio without the village would metaphorically mean, in my mind, a Toshio that really lacks = not a Toshio anymore. That's why I kind of predict he'll be, in a way, really shaken post-Shiki period even if he doesn't seem it. I can certainly be wrong, however.
It's this sentence: 敏夫はもう一度、北山を見上げる。火勢はもう山寺に迫ろうとしている。――全てを呑み込んでいく。 It's at the very end of his appearance in the novel, just before epilogue that's about Tsuhara just like in the manga. It roughly means "Toshio once more looked up at the northern mountain. Flame was delving further into the mountain temple. --- swallowing everything." I think it's really sad. A few sentences above he thinks about 'a childhood friend', who's probably Seishin (he doesn't mention any name), but I cannot translate it so I don't know. I think there's a high possibility he's thinking about Seishin (nothing romantic though I think) since he certainly associates him with both the northern mountain and the temple.
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I guess sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, which also applies to introverts. Not everyone likes to go into deep analysis, and if you ask me, I actually also rarely analyze stuffs except myself or things related to me. Extroverts around me however are people who notice others way more than I do, so I'm not really sure if you ask me, but I'm considerably dense for a person. I'm also admittedly not good at listening closely because I have short attention span, and I'm also not exactly a person who likes to share stories with others (therefore I rarely demand people to listen to me) so I'm often a bit caught off guard whenever people want to share their stories with me lol. I also so rarely notice stuffs about people unless they outright tell me, so if you play tsundere with me chances are I'm not even going to notice it lol. Good thing people around me know that.
I do happen to love psychology way more than medicine, but I'm not sure if I can study it formally. Minors aren't exactly a thing here as far as I'm aware, and aside from the fact that my uni studies obviously don't include psychology, there's just no time. Now I kind of feel a bit down about it, lol. But even then I don't know if I like psychology enough to study it formally, since I'm a person who rarely feels deeply excited about anything, especially if it requires some degree of commitment. The reason I go to med school is more about familiarity than anything, really. That might be one of the reasons I relate with Seishin. About horoscopes: I don't believe it at all, and I don't think there's correlation between it and personality types. At least, I don't see the reason. I'm a Virgo, and like you, horoscopes get me wrong 80% of the time I cannot take it seriously. And... well, please don't take MBTI as 100% scientific because it hasn't been acknowledged yet by most higher-ups in psychology world it seems. Some people obviously believe in it, some don't. I personally rather believe it because it gets me mostly right, and when I apply it to other people it's also mostly right in my opinion lol. It helps me understand people who are different from me, if I do say so myself. I think we better treat MBTI as informal thing for now. I also pay a bit attention to Enneagram, because it also gets me right -- and I'm type 6. I think type 6 also describes Seishin lol. I think we're both type 6 INFPs, or as I dub it, the 'semi/pseudo-individualists' since we're individualistic at our core but are still too scared to fully follow ourselves.
I think I have rather high amount of self-acceptance, so I think you're right. It's just, as someone who's actually all about individuality and identity, being someone else is a no-go. Even if I wish to, I cannot. I'll always go back to myself, both good and bad. I can't even act as someone else for five minutes. I'm not even good at hiding myself, which is probably why other people can read me pretty easily. Not that I'm absolutely thrilled with everything about myself (there are obviously parts of me I so don't like I want to kick them to Antarctica, but I also think that I'm a good specimen to study it so I keep them be), and it's never like I've never had any angst (lol), but I just cannot be anyone else. So yeah, I try to work on parts I think need improving, even if I don't always do good. I'd say that, having someone other (even if fictional) that I can relate a lot to (to the point of identifying to a degree) is comforting.
You've just described me as well, lol. Let's see, the reasons I appear considerably 'dutiful' when I'm actually not and concerned are because 1) I hate giving people negative impressions of myself (image-concerned) and thus I avoid causing conflicts 2) I don't like disappointing people 3) I'm so easily swayed by other people's feelings 4) I'm actually gutless. I cannot go against people even when I want to 5) I wish to have support system because I'm in fact an anxious person who hates being without support. If I don't 'appear to perform my duties', I will lose this support system.
This is probably me, but I can see these reasons apply to Seishin as well. In the end, though, he's still too much of an individualist that he chooses to follow his own self, but I think it's mostly due to him finding another support system he can rely on -- Sunako. I think that's why he goes to great lengths to keep her alive, since if she falters, he will too. If it were not for this alternative support system, I doubt he'd go that far really. I'm much like him in this regard; we cannot function without any support system, and what we truly want is a support system than can accommodate us and accept us as we are. "I want to do things the way I like it, but I want a safe place for it."
Insisting on having guidance -- support systems -- is a part of me I'm not very thrilled with but also (intellectually) amused with. That's why I get swayed easily by people, and why I like to flock up to 'dominant' or 'charming people'. I sometimes really hate how my opinions hinge on certain people, hate the thought of faltering when they themselves falter. I mentioned that I have a friend who was sorta like Toshio, and it's a fact that I often look up to her, to the point of making her an anchor in many things I do (mostly uni-related). Sometimes I realize that she makes mistakes, and that's when I feel a bit shaken, and thinks "I really cannot keep on being like this." But I think I still make her an anchor in many things, even now. Part of reasons as to why I don't think Seishin has romantic feelings toward Toshio, even if he probably appears to also hinge on Toshio in some things is this; I still do it to my friend even without being into her romantically. That's dependence, not romance.
My friends see this part of me as 'a safe (good?) quality to have in a girl' because it means I'm, well, submissive and avoiding conflicts, and I snorted inside when they said it. I don't feel secure on my own and that's not a good trait, lol. I want to be more like them, like my Toshio-friend who's a fierce girl (even if I cringe sometimes at what she does). I love having guidance, and finding people who can guide me so I can learn from them to be better, but this is, while peaceful, not a good trait if left unchecked and definitely needs some improving. I also thought of Seishin when they said it, unavoidably -- if this is a good trait to find in girls, how is it then if found in guys? No girl will want to be with a guy like that, I surmise. People are incredible, but my friends are also in a way, victims. I cannot blame them for thinking like that, when even my Toshio-friend sometimes thinks that she's 'too much' (not that exact word though, since I don't know how to translate it into English) for a girl.
On to the marriage ordeal -- I wonder if it's actually him staying to his own principles tightly and not mainly because he just takes advantage of his situations. The people around him are currently cutting him some slack because they are afraid he'd repeat his suicide attempt because they pressure him too much. This circumstance provides Seishin with exactly what he needs -- a condition where he can assert his principles, even when it's imperfect. I think he's clinging to it. If he actually gets pressured a lot, he'll probably give in.
I don't really know if Toshio relies on people's opinions, but I think even if he does, it's to a lesser degree than Seishin. He's dutiful, and I think dutiful people can appear caring about people's opinions. I don't think even Toshio will find it peaceful to cause so much conflicts, and I think people normally want to avoid conflicts. I see him feeling like he has to do things as more from his own principles than from how people will think of it. His marrying Kyouko was out of duty, though. I think the reason as to why Toshio is so self-sacrificing is because he puts aside his own personal desires, but he still does it not for people's good opinions.
Ah, so that's how you got the idea to analyze Toshio from -- the part of 'doing things on your own terms but are still within realm of duties'. It's nice when you can still align your desires with people's expectations on you. If you ask about the words important to me that often make appearances in my comments, I think they would be 1) Human (human beings fascinate me as much as they frustrate me) 2) Natural (I think it's to make sure what I do and Seishin do are indeed still normal (since my analyses of him are interconnected with my own introspection lol) and 3) Individual, since I'm all for individuality, and I lack social perception.
I agree that that's quite realistically possible lol, which was why I put it in metaphors. I love metaphors because they're in a way removed from reality I guess, like existing in fantasy realm -- indifferent, emotionless and rather playful. I sometimes love to play with metaphors. I think metaphorically a Toshio that's not an Ozaki doesn't exist because he works tirelessly for the village's wellbeing -- like it's his only purpose. It's an Ozaki's purpose, to serve the village after all. Toshio lives for the village (in a way), so the Toshio without the village would metaphorically mean, in my mind, a Toshio that really lacks = not a Toshio anymore. That's why I kind of predict he'll be, in a way, really shaken post-Shiki period even if he doesn't seem it. I can certainly be wrong, however.
It's this sentence: 敏夫はもう一度、北山を見上げる。火勢はもう山寺に迫ろうとしている。――全てを呑み込んでいく。 It's at the very end of his appearance in the novel, just before epilogue that's about Tsuhara just like in the manga. It roughly means "Toshio once more looked up at the northern mountain. Flame was delving further into the mountain temple. --- swallowing everything." I think it's really sad. A few sentences above he thinks about 'a childhood friend', who's probably Seishin (he doesn't mention any name), but I cannot translate it so I don't know. I think there's a high possibility he's thinking about Seishin (nothing romantic though I think) since he certainly associates him with both the northern mountain and the temple.