Someone wrote in [personal profile] sinnesspiel 2015-10-14 02:54 pm (UTC)

Re: Spoilers up in here, ya'll.

8D -- Sorry for tumbling in! Just want to give my two cents -- I'm just thinking that, when people are less sure about anything in general (could be their opinion, stance, or what they did) don't they go seek for validation all the more? I think it's exactly because Sunako sees herself as ultimately wrong that she seeks for a way to justify what she does/her existence. And since people are social beings, when they cannot find the justification they need in themselves, they will usually go to other people in a hope that these people will be able to help justify them. Sunako has found Seishirou, and as Sinnesspiel once said she likely also wants Seishin to validate her as well. After all, she found herself (or that's what she thought) in his novels -- surely he'd be able to understand her standpoint, she probably thought.

Then, there's also the point in being in a group -- being wrong together is often better than being wrong alone, I'm sure a lot of people would think. The larger the group is, the more power there will be. If she herself cannot impose her existence on other people on her own, she'll try to gather as many like-minded people as possible. I think she ultimately wants to create a group large enough to create their own system to justify their wrongness, in a hope that someday, they will be able to impose their ideologies/views, their existence, on other people. When people acknowledge her, she'll more readily acknowledge herself.

But ultimately, while seeking for external validation/power is all good and useful, I think it'll only go so far if they don't believe in it personally. That's why I think personal foundation/principles is most important. The scariest of people are those who actually believe in what they do. Sunako lacks this, which is why I think she ultimately falters in the end -- compared to Toshio, who's able to stand until the end, if not for what happened to Sotoba that's way beyond his power. (Though I don't know if he'll be able to keep holding onto his foundation after Sotoba no longer exists, since I see his foundation as ultimately linked to Sotoba's existence and order. If it disappears, so will a large part of him, I surmise)

Then there's Seishin, whom I kinda predict, will be another level of scary post-Shiki. If one aspect of scary is in acting on what one believes in, the other would be in acting out whatever one wishes without limits, since he doesn't believe in any. I don't actually believe that Seishin will be ruthless, since it isn't his style, but I think he'll be a certain level of scary because he'll be so different from how he used to be. Cutting links with humanity (or having it cut) will surely affect him a great deal. Not being a human means that he'll no longer be restrained by the rules human beings enforce. In his case, that's not what he actually wants. He wants to be included within the orderly world, to have his position appointed and to abide by the law. However, the world doesn't want him that it goes as far as cutting links with him, or it'd probably be most fitting to say that any link actually doesn't exist at all, since the very start.

That's what the canon says so far. However, I'm kinda skeptical about some things. I believe that a lot of things go both ways, so I think that if Seishin from his heart really thinks that he cannot fit into society because society refuses him, part of him must have refused society too that he cannot fit into it. If he thinks he's an outsider, a heretic -- must be partially because he himself wishes to be an outsider. Could be because he ultimately doesn't agree with the views the society holds that he refuses it. This is his true foundation. However, the current him cannot justify it yet. Is it right or is it wrong? But does he judge it by society's standards on right and wrong? Society's standards are already validated after all, and while he wants to validate it by his own standards, personal standards aren't 'valid'. In order to validate his own standards and ultimately his true foundation and existence, the society that keeps preventing him from validating himself must go down first, because with its destruction so will be its rules and standards.

Well, this is probably more of a word play than a theory, but I think it's kinda telling that he's represented by two people in his novel -- an 'outsider' older brother who wishes to maintain links with the order but keeps being refused, and a younger brother who's a 'true member' of the order who actually wishes to have his way out. (Is the younger brother someone who's a true outsider at heart but wears a mask, or is he a somewhat-insider who wants to be an outsider (because he probably finds it romantic? It fuels his martyr complex?) Are they two halves of one who embodies different parts of personality? Are they two side of personalities who have their priorities arranged in opposition? Or is the older brother the 'most real' one, while the younger brother is merely a mask? (my initial theory))

There's also this part of humanity that wishes to have the opposite thing of what one initially has. When you have something/trait, you're weirdly attracted to its opposite. Seishin wants individuality. But he also desires order. The part of him that has individuality desires order, and the part of him that's orderly desires individuality. I believe that individuality and order should actually balance one another, but who knows, his own black-and-white views probably make him think that he should only stick to either. I probably should stop before this becomes a wordception.

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